Okay why must you always overthink things when trying to claim Amity has no empathy for others? Like I feel you're making far more mental gymnastics to claim Amity has no empathy than it would be to admit that yes, Amity is very much capable of empathy.
Why do people always claim your overthinking something right before they offer a bad argument?
These aren't mental gymnastics. This is Amity's own canon behavior in the show. We saw her do this crap. What exactly do you think empathy is? Amity has demonstrated an utter lack of empathy across the entire series. Her very first appearance in the show was her torturing and humiliating a child for no reason whatsoever.
Mean Girl: [Looks away from her book.] Willow! Wow. [Hops off the pot.] You're so unnoticeable I almost rolled into ya. [Chuckles.] [The flower that Willow just healed wilts.]
Willow: Hi, Amity. [Stands up.]
Amity: Uh, shouldn't you get to class early to prep your... [Rattling cuts her off. They turn to Willow's pot as it spills, pouring out a purple substance and an eyeball that blinks and groans.]
Amity: Oh, Willow. You don't have anything to show, do you?
Luz: Witch drama! [Willow pulls up her hood as she blushes.]
Amity: [Sighs.] This is why people call you "Half-a-Witch Willow." [Rattling.]
Amity: Oh, looks like someone wants to say something to you. [Takes the cover off her pot.] Abomination, [Snaps.] rise. [Her abomination rises, becoming more solid until it's humanoid in shape. It bends out of the pot to poke Willow's forehead, leaving behind abomination matter in a star shape.]
Abomination: You're a... star.
Amity: Aw. It's like mine. [Readjusts a star shaped badge that reads "Top Student".] But much smaller and meaningless. As top student, it's my duty to tell you to keep at it. [Puts an arm around Willow.] Even you could get a passing grade someday. Abomination, cower. [It groans as it melts back into the pot. Amity replaces the pot lid and takes hold of the cart.]
Amity: See you in class, superstar.
As far as she knew she and Willow were alone. There was no one there for Amity to impress yet she stopped and took time out of her day to attack Willow. And she took pleasure in doing it so it was an act of pure sadism. This was the latest act in a campaign against Willow that lasted 9 years and was still continuing. Why did she do it? Is this how you would have treated Willow? If so, why? If not, why is it OK with you for Amity to treat Willow that way?
After this inauspicious introduction Amity's interpersonal skills never improved. She never acknowledged her treatment of Willow. She, in fact, doubled down on it by destroying Willow's conscious mind, effectively killing her, to save herself some personal embarrassment. She went to the end of the series never having dealt honestly and sincerely with Willow over this history. She never apologized. She never took responsibility. She never made up for it. She never once showed an ounce of empathy towards Willow. She developed a crush on Luz and from that point on no one else mattered to Amity but Luz.
Like, if you want an example of her empathy outside of Luz, she was very much empathetic with Hunter in Eclipse Lake where she tried to extend an olive branch to him after seeing him have a mental breakdown over failing Belos, even if he disregarded it at the time due to being distracted by her carrying the door key with her. So Amity indeed has empathy contrary to your beliefs. (like come on, Dana and the crew wouldn't be making these arts with Amity being heroic if she never had empathy period).
By her own admission everything Amity did in Eclipse Lake (and subsequent to it) was to prove that she was Luz' "awesome girlfriend". Her actions were not the result of empathy toward Hunter or anyone else. They were the result of Amity selfishly building up her own ego by attempting to prove just how awesome she can be as a girlfriend. Were it not for her crush on Luz, Amity wouldn't have even been there. After all, would she have done what she did in Eclipse Lake for anyone else? Eda? Gus? Willow? Hunter didn't matter to Amity. We know that because she had virtually nothing to do with him after Eclipse Lake. The only person that mattered to Amity was Luz.
Amity serves Lumity. That's all she ever did post-Grom to include what she did at Eclipse Lake.
Do you seriously believe Amity is as bad as Eric Cartman where much like him, she's a terrible being who isn't really friends with her friend group yet hanging around them anyway?
No. Amity's worse. Cartman's a jerk but he's never been responsible for willfully causing someone grievous bodily harm to the point of effectively killing them (that I'm aware of anyway). Amity bullied Willow for 9 years and then destroyed her mind. Afterwards she never acknowledged any wrongdoing and had virtually nothing to do with Willow since Understanding Willow. Cartman is an angel compared to this level of abysmal behavior.
And FYI, the ONLY reason Luz was being more truthful with Hunter in Thanks to Them is because they were in Belos' mind together in Hollow Mind when the big revelations came about. Like, it's the simplest explanation out there. How would she even be able to try and keep the stuff inside Belos' head a secret from Hunter if he was already there to begin with? Trying to lie to Hunter about the stuff in Belos' head that he was there for is like trying to claim that the sky isn't blue.
Luz is lying to Amity. She is emotionally distancing herself from Amity. She was ready to physically abandon Amity at the portal. This goes beyond the events in Hollow Mind. Why didn't she confide in Amity as well as Hunter after Hollow Mind? Why did Luz lie to Amity in Reaching Out which took place before Hollow Mind? Why did Luz feel it acceptable to lie to Amity at all even after Amity told her she knew Luz was lying and asked her to stop? Why didn't Luz stop?
Besides, Hunter lied to everyone too in Thanks to Them, why aren't you saying he's also being a toxic person like Luz?
Hunter isn't claiming to be anyone's intimate partner. Luz is. That's the difference.
And stop linking like a million psychology articles everytime you try to claim Lumity is toxic. I doubt anyone here will read them and Dana and the rest of the Owl House crew are animators/writers, not psychologists.
I will link to whatever I feel effectively supports my position. That's what you do in a debate. You support your position with facts. If you can't handle those links just ignore them. You're not the only one who reads these threads. Others might appreciate the factual support. Besides, I'm writing just as much for the benefit of people who may be reading this wiki decades and perhaps even centuries from now as well as those reading it today. So long as there exists electricity and computers this wiki is liable to still be around in some form.
As for Dana and her crew not being psychologists, that's obvious. She wrote a toxic relationship without knowing she was writing a toxic relationship.
Do you really need a degree in psychology to understand that you don't lie to an intimate partner? Do you have to be a psychologist to know that once you've betrayed someone's trust it is almost impossible to win that trust back? Even if you do it's never the same as it was before. Do you think Dana and her crew understand that making yourself emotionally unavailable to your partner effectively ends your relationship? They must because that's what they wrote between Eda and Raine. It's quite possible that Dana created Eda and Raine as an adult analogue to Lumity as a point of comparison.
