@Hawas1983 An utter lack of empathy for the entire series? I’m sorry but that is entirely incorrect.

Amity has shown multiple times just how empathetic she has become since meeting Luz.

1. She was more mad at Luz for endangering her siblings than steeling her wand.

2. When Flapjack died she was literally in tears over his death

3. She was in tears and refused to leave her father when it seemed he would be giving his life so that she and the others could escape the Abamatons, Willow had to pull her away because she refused to leave him

4. She admitted how weak she was for what she did to Willow and contrary to your claims, confessed she wanted to remain her friend and didn’t want to lose what she just got back

5. She was in tears of joy upon being reunited with her siblings

6. She was horrified when King and Eda fell down that hole at Eclipse Lake and she offered Hunter a chance at redemption even when she had the Titan Blood for Luz, so her offer towards him had nothing to do with her, she just genuine empathized with him and wanted to help him

7. She loves little kids and has shown to be patient and understanding towards them

1. She was the first of the Hexsquad after Luz to show kindness towards the Collector, if she was devoid of empathy would she really be kind and forgiving towards him after everything he did to her?

2. She risked her life to save Vee when Belos nearly killed her

I can go on. Your statement about her never showing any empathy is utterly unfounded. What she did to Willow was horrible and wrong, that cannot be denied. But she has redeemed herself and regardless of what you have said, Willow has forgiven her and they have rekindled their friendship. Just go back and see them following Labyrinth Runners and you will see that they enjoy each others company and in S3E2 they even did a dance of joy together when they made it to the Collector’s base, even though their was no survival situation that needed them to cooperate. Willow has also shown herself to be comforting to Amity and has helped her.

Despite what Amity did, that doesn’t cancel out her chance at redemption. You keep condemning her for it but you don’t acknowledge all the good she has done since Luz helped her develop.

Also, your use of curse words is inappropriate considering this is a kids show wiki in which younger users may visit. I am afraid I may have to report you… again.

@Hawas1983 Okay now you're playing with fire to claim Amity is somehow a worse person than Eric Cartman? Like I'm pretty sure Amity never made a kid eat their own parents that were grounded into chili, gave someone HIV, try to exterminate Jews, fake Tourrette's syndrome, fake her way into special Olympics, and going on a killing spree with Cthulhu like Cartman did. And that's not even getting into smaller momenets that show Cartman's driven other kids to suicide before and got Supernanny institutionalized.

" Why didn't she confide in Amity as well as Hunter after Hollow Mind? "

Again, Amity wasn't there inside Belos' head when the big reveals were made like Hunter was, that's why Luz didn't confide in her. And keep in mind that Luz didn't even meet up with Amity after that until Clouds on the Horizon and King's Tide where they were too busy with having to stop the Day of Unity to really have that conversation. And come on if you were in Luz's shoes, would you really not hesitate to tell someone that "Hey, I gave your tyrannical dictator of a rule the means of finding the thing that will help him destroy your world"? It's not easy to say tell people that you helped the villain gain the means destroy their world.

And here's where Amity shows her empathy to Hunter:

"Amity: You know, you were right. We do have a lot in common. I grew up thinking everything was an opportunity to justify existing, but there are people out there who won't make you feel worthless. You just have to let yourself meet them."

She's clearly making the effort to empathize with and be friendly with Hunter in that moment. And Luz certainly isn't there to see it and I doubt Luz influenced that (in the sense of Amity only doing because she likes Luz) given she didn't exactly leave on good terms with Hunter the last time she saw him.

Heck, would Amity have cried at Hunter nearly dying if she lacked empathy:

@RadicalPatMan

Okay now you're playing with fire to claim Amity is somehow a worse person than Eric Cartman? Like I'm pretty sure Amity never made a kid eat their own parents that were grounded into chili, gave someone HIV, try to exterminate Jews, fake Tourrette's syndrome, fake her way into special Olympics, and going on a killing spree with Cthulhu like Cartman did. And that's not even getting into smaller momenets that show Cartman's driven other kids to suicide before and got Supernanny institutionalized.

It's not playing with fire at all. It's a simple matter of understanding genre.

South Park is a broad satire intended for adult consumption. Its characters and situations are exaggerated to the point of absurdity for the purpose of social commentary. Its depictions of violence are intended to be taken as seriously as The Three Stooges or a Looney Tunes cartoon.

The Owl House is a coming-of-age fantasy adventure tale intended for the consumption of children 6 to 11 years old. Its depictions of violence are intended to reinforce lessons children need to learn as they grow into teens and later adulthood. Those depictions raise the stakes of the story and so need to be taken as serious threats to the health, well-being and lives of the characters.

Again, Amity wasn't there inside Belos' head when the big reveals were made like Hunter was, that's why Luz didn't confide in her. And keep in mind that Luz didn't even meet up with Amity after that until Clouds on the Horizon and King's Tide where they were too busy with having to stop the Day of Unity to really have that conversation.

That's not a reason for Luz to keep her experience from Amity. Luz is supposed to be Amity's intimate partner (according to the fandom anyway) and so would be expected to confide in Amity about the experience given it revealed information about a threat they were both facing. Luz had plenty of time on earth to tell Amity of the events of Hollow Mind. It was certainly information Amity would need given what they were all facing in the prospect of returning to the Demon Realm. Yet not only did Luz withhold that information from Amity, she intended to let her return to the Demon Realm without following. Luz didn't know what would be waiting for Amity on the other side of the portal yet she was willing to let Amity walk into a potentially lethal situation alone and deprived of information that might give her a better chance of survival.

And come on if you were in Luz's shoes, would you really not hesitate to tell someone that "Hey, I gave your tyrannical dictator of a rule the means of finding the thing that will help him destroy your world"? It's not easy to say tell people that you helped the villain gain the means destroy their world.

Which is why Luz is a child completely unprepared for the responsibilities of an adult relationship. If I were Luz and I genuinely cared about Amity as something more than a crush I wouldn't hesitate at all to tell her what I knew if I thought it could help save her life. Putting Amity's life at risk simply to protect my own ego is something Amity would do as she has already demonstrated. Remember that Luz originally had no intention of following Amity though the portal and held that intention for months. Once Amity passed through the portal and the portal closed Amity would no longer be Luz' concern. What would she have to lose by giving Amity important information about Belos? She had already decided to give Amity up.

"Amity: You know, you were right. We do have a lot in common. I grew up thinking everything was an opportunity to justify existing, but there are people out there who won't make you feel worthless. You just have to let yourself meet them."

She's clearly making the effort to empathize with and be friendly with Hunter in that moment. And Luz certainly isn't there to see it and I doubt Luz influenced that (in the sense of Amity only doing because she likes Luz) given she didn't exactly leave on good terms with Hunter the last time she saw him.

No, she's not. This quote is from Eclipse Lake and that episode made it quite clear what Amity's goal was in the episode.

Amity: I know. But I was taught to see every situation as an opportunity. And today, I'll show Luz that I am an awesome girlfriend.

Amity: No, Luz wouldn't make that kind of threat. I'm an awesome girlfriend.

Luz: Amity! [Happily hugs her.] I'm so glad my awesome girlfriend is okay.

To Amity Hunter is only a means to an end. After Amity received her validation she barely had anything to do with Hunter for the rest of the series.

Heck, would Amity have cried at Hunter nearly dying if she lacked empathy:

When did Amity cry in that scene? I didn't see any tears from her. When Hunter was revived Amity immediately turned her attention to Luz and paid no further attention to Hunter.

@Hawas1983 Lmao they literally put a picture of her in tears at hunter almost dying.

@Hawas1983 Im no sorry but there are a few errors in your response regarding these issues.

you need to take a closer look. Look at her eyes and you will see tears forming.

Also, Luz did not plan on leaving Amity for months, she did so right before Halloween when everyone said they wanted to go on the Haunted Hayride. She wasn’t conspiring to get rid of Amity and the others the moment she got back to the Human Realm

Also, how is telling her about how she helped crucial information to defeating Belos? It is good that they knew but how would that be of use on the upcoming battle. That doesn’t make much sense since that info doesn’t really put either Belos or the Collector at a disadvantage.

Also Luz, didn’t keep the truth out of ego. She did so out of self-loathing. After learning the truth, Luz blamed herself for Belos’s atrocities even though it wasn’t her fault. She was hating herself and didn’t tell her friends because she couldn’t think they would forgive her when she couldn’t forgive herself. She loves her friends and didn’t want to loose many of the only ones she had made in her entire life.

Plus, most of the events that Luz is shown smiling during Thanks to Them, happen when Amity is around, because her presence is that comforting to Luz. She was going to stay behind not because she didn’t genuinely care for her, but because she believed she would only put her and the others in more danger if she stayed around them. That is misguided and tragic, but hardly selfish, rather it’s selfless.

If she did, one can only imagine how harmful that would be for her mentally. She would have lost her beloved girlfriend and the friends, would be cut off from the only friends she ever made in her entire life, be cut off from the place she truly considers home, and would never find out if her brother and mother survived. I think it’s obvious, and realistic as you would prefer, that would extremely damaging to Luz’s mental health, especially when it was damaged at the time with her unnecessary sense of guilt and worrying over King, Eda, and everyone else in the Demon Realm.

Also, yes Amity went to Eclipse Lake for Luz, but that doesn’t mean she had to empathize with Hunter solely because of that. She already got what she needed for Luz, so there was no reason for her to be nice to him. If she was really solely obsessed with Luz as you seem to claim, than she would have just left immediately after realizing the key had blood in it to show off to Luz what an awesome girlfriend she was. Instead she took the time and risked losing the Blood, which she kind of did, just to help an enemy, an enemy, who was in such a depressive and sympathetic state. That is empathy that had nothing to do with Luz, that was her own validation because she felt like she had been in Hunter’s shoes.

@Cosmikid correct @Hawas1983 you really need to take a closer look

I must also note that even if Luz didn't go back to the Demon Realm, she was gonna give Amity and the others a heads up about it first before Camila interrupted her (due to feeling guilty about pushing her in that direction).

See here:

"Luz: I was scared. I thought you'd all hate me for it. Which is why I've made a decision. I think it'd be in everyone's best interest if I-

Camila: Took your mama to the Demon Realm!"

Pretty clear that Luz wasn't intending to just let the gang go through the portal before eventually telling them. Heck for all we know, Luz would've at least gone with the group to help before leaving the Demon Realm for good.

That's certainly what she was thinking in For the Future until Camila finally had a full talk with her and gave Luz the encouragement not to leave the Demon Realm after the Collector was defeated which led to her palisman hatching.

@Hawas1983 Since you place so much stock on Luz lying to Amity, what did you think of how Adventure Time handled Finn lying to Flame Princess? Or Avatar showing Aang lying to Katara?

@AdmiralZod1

you need to take a closer look. Look at her eyes and you will see tears forming.

You're right. I stand corrected. I needed a higher resolution picture. However, by what reason do you believe that Amity's concern was for Hunter? Luz was next to Hunter when he died and was revived and she was in tears. How do you know it wasn't Luz Amity was concerned for? That would be more consistent with Amity's behavior after Grom. After all, when Hunter was revived and Luz walked away Amity's attention stayed on her. Amity expressed no concern for Hunter whatsoever. She went straight to Luz and asked her about her keeping her secret about Belos.

Also, Luz did not plan on leaving Amity for months, she did so right before Halloween when everyone said they wanted to go on the Haunted Hayride. She wasn’t conspiring to get rid of Amity and the others the moment she got back from the Human Realm.

Camila: Baby? No, no, no, no, no, no... [Luz is pulled back further.] When you come home, promise you'll stay here. I didn't mean to push you away. I swear things will be different.

Luz: [Starts tearing up.] Mom, it's not you, it never was!

Camila: Promise me, Luz... please!

Luz: [Sad expression.] Okay, Mom. I promise. [Fades away from view.]

This is from Yesterday's Lie where Luz promises her mother she will stay with her.

Luz: Amity, Amity! Amity, you saved me. How can I make it up to you?

Amity: Maybe... you can tell me about this. [Amity pulls out Luz's phone, with the video still displayed on the screen.]

Luz: [Gasps.]

Amity: Don't worry. I haven't watched it. But... you did finish the portal door. You did see your mom. ...And... it looks like it didn't go well.

Luz: I'm sorry.

Amity: I know this situation is crazy, and I'm okay taking things one day at a time. But, I can't help if I don't know what's going on.

Luz: You just looked so hopeful. You were even learning Spanish. And I thought if I helped out Kikimora, maybe there'd be hope for me.

Amity: Tell me what happened.

Luz: Okay. So, I had finished the door. But it didn't look like the normal portal. I must have missed something. We opened it and...

This is from Follies at the Coven Day Parade where Luz has been contemplating the possibility of leaving the Demon Realm or lying to her mother. She knows that returning to the Human Realm permanently is a real possibility. She knows that eventually she's going to have to choose between her mother and Amity and she made a promise to her mother.

Luz: Dear Diary, all I ever wanted was to be good at something, to be around people who also liked that something. And when I found the Demon Realm, I-I though, "Wow, I found it. I can learn magic. I can be a witch. I-I won't be the dummy in the principal's office anymore!" But I messes up too much, and put everyone in danger. Mama says I need to learn from my mistakes. [A single tear falls down her cheek.] So, I know what I have to do now...

Luz: Mama says I have to learn from my mistakes. So, I know what I have to do now. On Halloween, after the Hayride, I'm telling everyone I'm staying in the Human Realm. Permanently.

This is from Thanks to Them where Luz makes the decision. This is a decision she's been contemplating since Hollow Mind where she learned of her own role in Belos' past. So Luz has been anticipating this decision for months since it was motivated by Luz learning of her influence on Belos back in Hollow Mind and finally worked it out in Thanks to Them. Her statement, "I know what I have to do now...", shows that she's been thinking about this for as long has she's known about her influence on Belos and has finally come to a decision.

Also, how is telling her about how she helped crucial information to defeating Belos? It is good that they knew but how would that be of use on the upcoming battle. That doesn’t make much sense since that info doesn’t really put either Belos or the Collector at a disadvantage.

Luz knew none of that. All she knew was that she had information about Belos that Amity didn't and that Amity was going back to fight Belos without her. Luz had no way of knowing what was on the other side of the portal or what Amity would be facing so she had no way of knowing how important the information she had on Belos would be. Therefore denying Amity even that tiny scrap of information could be putting her at a disadvantage. Luz didn't know and had she gone through with her plan she would never know.

Also Luz, didn’t keep the truth out of ego. She did so out of self-loathing. After learning the truth, Luz blamed herself for Belos’s atrocities even though it wasn’t her fault. She was hating herself and didn’t tell her friends because she couldn’t think they would forgive her when she couldn’t forgive herself. She loves her friends and didn’t want to loose many of the only ones she had made in her entire life.

The hell she didn't.

Amity: Um, Luz. What did Belos mean when he said you helped him meet the Collector? I mean, that was a lie, right?

Luz: No, it was true. [walks away] If it weren't for me, the Day of Unity would have never happened. There was this time pool, and I met him. I met him when he was still just Philip, and I taught him the light spell. I introduced him to the Collector. I set everything in motion. I'm sorry, everyone.

Amity: Why did you keep all that a secret?

Luz: I was scared. I thought you'd all hate me for it. Which is why I've made a decision. I think it'd be in everyone's best interest if I-

It was more important to Luz that she not be hated than to insure that the people she cared about were as best prepared as possible to fight an enemy that would kill them all without hesitation. People she was planning to abandon at the portal. Every reason you cited for Luz keeping that information to herself was internal to Luz herself. She was thinking exclusively about herself and not what the rest of them were up against.

Plus, most of the events that Luz is shown smiling during Thanks to Them, happen when Amity is around, because her presence is that comforting to Luz. She was going to stay behind not because she didn’t genially care for her, but because she believed she would only put her and the others in more danger if she stayed around them. That misguided and tragic, but hardly selfish, rather it’s selfless.

No. Selfless would have been Luz setting her personal concerns aside and doing everything she could to prepare them for their upcoming battle regardless of the cost to herself. Even if it meant they did hate her it wouldn't matter. That's what selflessness is. Luz protected herself and she was doing that at their expense.

If she did, one can only imagine how harmful that would be for her mentally. She lost her beloved girlfriend and the friends, would be cut off from the only friends she ever made in her entire life, be cut off from the place she truly considers home, and would never find out if her brother and mother survived. I think it’s obvious, and realistic as you would prefer, that would extremely damaging to Luz’s mental health, especially when it was damaged at the time with her unnecessary sense of guilt and worrying over King, Eda, and everyone else in the Demon Realm.

Luz mental health was already damaged. She had serious unaddressed issues with grief that set her firmly on a course that would have led to her eventual arrest and incarceration if there wasn't an intervention. Escaping to a fantasy world where she'd never have to grow up or face consequences for her actions would have done far more damage because Luz would have no restraints.

Luz always had the ability to make friends. Vee proved that in Yesterday's Lie. Luz herself proved it in I was a Teenage Abomination. Luz losing contact with the people she knew in the Boiling Isles does not condemn her to a friendless existence nor would it be damaging to her mental health. Luz situation would be no different from a person moving away from the place they grew up to build a life for themselves elsewhere. She would be in the same situation that the Calamity Trio was in when they graduated middle school and when they left Amphibia for the last time. They formed new friend groups and moved on with their lives just like everybody does when they grow up and move on. Friends come and go in your life. That's the way it is for all of us. That's the way it would have been for Luz.

Amity didn't empathize with Hunter. She barely had anything to do with him over the series. Amity was focused only on Luz. By her own admission she went to Eclipse Lake to prove that she was an awesome girlfriend. That was all Amity did for the rest of the series. That was the problem with Amity as a character. They took a three dimensional character and flattened her into a love interest for the protagonist. If she were as empathetic as you claim where was her empathy for Willow? She put that girl through hell for nine years and then almost killed her. One episode where she is briefly nice to Hunter doesn't negate her history with both Willow and Hunter over the rest of the series where she barely had anything to do with anyone other than Luz to include Hunter.

@Hawas1983 And how was anything Luz learned about in Hollow Mind in terms of her helping Belos gonna help them?

Like, how would that information remotely be helpful in the final battle to begin with?