I seriously don’t understand why I got report notifications for this post.

Here’s my take on the situation:

No, I don’t think Camilla is a bad mother for almost sending Luz away to camp.

But at the same time, it’s hard to really say if the decision was unreasonable or not because it wasn’t like the principal was forcing the idea onto Camilla. Could she have thought it was a potential way for Luz to interact with people much like her? Maybe. But could she also have thought it would’ve helped Luz get a reality on the situation. That is possible too.

But what I think everyone is missing the point of is that the camp wasn’t actually a bad thing. In fact, wasn’t it Vee who was the one to have fun and to make friends “while at camp”?

I know I don’t have a lot of evidence to back my statements up. But that’s just how I feel about it. I just feel like there was too little information in terms of Camilla’s POV to know.

@VeggieGoBrrrr The principal was guidance counselor. Camila didn't know and had no idea that Luz was bullied and hated by Gravesfield for her weirdness in ten years, cause Luz didn't told her after Manny died.

@BoxmanCool So it may be that. If that’s the case than let me refer to the part where I said she might’ve thought it would’ve been a good break for Luz to be surrounded by people who are just like her. That decision is both practical and unreasonable depending on how you look at it.

The way it can be practical is that, yes, it would’ve been a good idea if they talked more about it and she had looked further into the situation.

The reason why it would’ve been unreasonable is due to the fact it seemed like a rushed decision and that she never really was shown to get to the bottom of it. But that could also be another plot hole to add to the list of the some 500+ other plot holes that are in this dreaded show.

Let me just say this now, I’m on this wiki for the community, not the content. So if anyone is like “You’re dogging on the show yet you’re a staff member?”, you can’t say anything against me 😜

simply misunderstand the complexity of the characters

The characters of TOH are not complex - at least for me but I respect your opinion.

It's suppose to move to older audiences until Disney stupidly shortened it.

Do you have a source for this?

I know that the Beta design and Dana's original TOH were much darker, but as far as I know, Disney rated it Y7 and for children from the start.

Where is it claimed that it was intended for older people and then this was changed? Dana herself said that Disney doesn't like the series because it doesn't fit the Disney brand and has much older viewers.

If Dana had wanted the series to be for older people, she shouldn't have gone to Disney. Disney's target audience is (young) kids and families.

I seriously don’t understand why I got report notifications for this post.

Me neither.

It's a nice discussion that finally again have the topic of TOH.

If you don't like other opinions and discussions, you should drop the whole thing and not misuse the report button

I think everyone is missing the point of is that the camp wasn’t actually a bad thing.

Exactly!

Vee had a lot of fun in the camp and made friends.

Of course I understand that Luz is not Vee and might not have had fun there, but that's also what I'm guessing and it seems more like Luz has a problem with others than the others with her. Just my view.

And I thought it was so terrible that fans started making headcanons that the camp was homophobic etc. and Camila send Luz there to "heal" her bisexuality.

Apart from that nothing indicated that it was such a camp these fans also seem to have completely forgotten that Luz had not yet come out.

Edit: I would also like to say that the suggestion to send her to camp is not a bad one.

She was bullied, had no friends and had no idea how to behave. (Bringing snakes was really not normal. The students are afraid and the animals don't like it either.)

The camp was a really kind suggestion to help her.

You guys will never understand.

In my opinion, the "Camila sending Ouz to summer camp debate" is a bit more nuanced than the black and white view of "Camila is had for trying to convert her daughter" and "Of course Camila was justified, the kid brought live snakes to class." Neither of them are completely in the right or wrong. Because even though Camila believes the summer camp is what's best for Luz based on her own experiences having experienced bullying herself, the reality is this camp would not have been good for Luz. The reality check camp would be more focused on trying to correct her behavior instead of taking a look at what's causing that behavior. Luz didn't need a camp to bottle away all her weirdness and fall in line with everyone else like that camp Phineas and Ferb went to in Candace's dream about them getting busted. She needed a support network and a system for education tailored for what she needed. And Camila is shown in Thanks to Them that she likes Luz's weird behavior. She made the choice to send Luz to camp not because she wanted to, but out of fear that Luz would experience what she experienced. Because unlike Luz, Camila folded and masked her interests to avoid bullying and tried applying that mindset to her own daughter. Her history of being ridiculed for her interests directly carries over to how she reacts publicly to Luz's stunts rather than how she feels about them privately. Trying to encourage Luz to supress it to stop her from enduring a never ending black hole of self hatred and self loathing. But unfortunately Luz is dealing with that in Thanks to Them because a domino effect brought upon by her decision to chase after Owlbert and retrieve her Azura books. She needs that support system now more than ever and in Thanks to Them Camila sees that. She embraces Luz's passion as opposed to trying to change her. For the Future is the culmination of Camila's character arc. She has a heart to heart with her daughter. She openly admits to Luz her mistake in sending Luz to camp and finally opens up to her. Camilla fully accepts and loves every part of Luz and the two are finally able to heal the rift between them that happened after the loss of Manny Noceda.

Your opinion is based on an incorrect assessment of Luz, Camila and Reality Check Camp.

Luz was one decision away from institutionalization or possible incarceration. She had an established pattern of disruptive and destructive behavior that had reached the point of causing injury to others. Something was going to be done about Luz. The only question was what. The camp was not just Luz' best option. It was her only option.

The camp had nothing to do with enforcing conformity. We saw that from Masha and Vee. The camp was a school for teaching troubled children the social skills they never learned elsewhere. Luz' grief issues were so profound that she completely lost sight of the concept of "other people". The camp would have put her in an environment where she would have learned to interact and cooperate with others. The camp wasn't about correcting Luz' weirdness. Masha went to that camp and yet was completely weird as was Vee. Luz was dangerous to herself and others. That's what the camp was intended to deal with.

Luz' weirdness was never the issue with her. Children are weird. That's been a fact about children for as long as they have been around. The issue was that Luz wasn't finding safe outlets to express that side of her. She was becoming dangerous to the health, safety and well-being of the people around her and that can't be tolerated. Everything about Luz came down to one issue. Grief. Luz never received the help she needed to face that trauma and that trauma has defined her ever since. Luz needed to heal and going to that camp would have given her that opportunity.

Luz was one decision away from institutionalization or possible incarceration. She had an established pattern of disruptive and destructive behavior that had reached the point of causing injury to others.

What I don’t understand is why you think just because she was disruptive in school that she was close to being institutionalized. You do realize that Luz is a conformed neurodivergent right? That’s basically saying that everyone who acts like her deserves to be sent to an insane asylum or jail.

In reality, you’re not going to get sent to jail or a mental hospital for high school antics unless it was actually illegal. And don’t say she did, this is a cartoon that made humorous jokes of her schoolmates getting attacked by snakes. I think you are looking way too far into this.

Neurodivergency is not license. Unless you are judging Luz to be clinically insane she is still responsible for her actions. Neurodivergent people can still commit crimes and society holds them responsible for those crimes.

Luz behavior had been getting worse over time until she crossed the line into injuring others. What Luz did was illegal and put children in danger in a public school. Something was going to be done about her for the sake of the safety of the rest of the student body and the faculty. Luz would be removed and evaluated. Depending on that evaluation Luz would be either sent for treatment or subject to arrest. This isn't about Luz. This is about a school's responsibility for the safety and well-being of the children given over to their care. If you were the parent of one of those children who were bitten by snakes what would you want the school to do about it? What would you do if you learned that a child had brought explosives to the school your child was attending?

Most of those things were put in for comedic purposes mainly. I feel like if they were going to take that stuff seriously, there’d be no option for camp. It would’ve been taken swiftly by suspending her.

But if that was the case, then kudos to the guidance counselor for giving Camilla an option that would benefit Luz instead of punish her.